Last week, I wrote an article calling Craigslist to remove their personals section. I was genuinely surprised that the response wasn’t bigger, but I did get several emails from people that noted they had no idea porn is a main staple on Craigslist’s site. Peter at OnBoardLLC came by and wrote a lengthy rebuttal to the article and asked several questions that you can read by clicking here and scrolling to his comment… my response was too long for a comment, so I thought I would revive the issue by addressing it here (see Peter’s words in bold):
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Peter, you make some great points! I can see from your website OnBoardLLC.com that you are dubbed “the industry’s foremost expert on data collection, aggregation and integration, Pete’s remarkably simple approach combined with his tenure in real estate makes him an invaluable asset.” Oh, and you have a Harvard degree.
I on the other hand am a mere University of Texas Longhorn, forging a career in real estate as the Asset Director for a local real estate company (but I’m not a Realtor). I don’t have a background in data aggregation, but I will try to respond to your argument point by point:
>Why would you presume that Craigslist is first and foremost a real estate related site (like the others you list out)?
I never made any implication that real estate is even a blip on Craig’s radar. I specifically said “It is common knowledge that Craigslist’s success began with the ‘personals’ and ‘for sale’ sections.”
>And if its not a real estate site, then how do Realtor ethics apply to the site at large (as opposed to the content of the real estate postings)?
Realtor ethics do not apply to the site, otherwise Craig would clearly have a revoked license. Realtors postingadvertisements on any site are held to ethical standards. This article was written for binary reasons, (1) to call Craigslist to remove the personals section and (2) to alert Realtors that haven’t ventured out of their tiny neck of the woods that this material is prevalent on this site.
>And I fail to see how objectionable (subjectively) content in other unrelated areas of the site are the responsibility or concern of the agent.
As you know, in the real estate world, Realtors are responsible for exposing their listings AND upholding the standards of ethics. As I said, “If you wouldn’t put ‘for sale’ flyers in a dominatrix brothel allowing children to enter, why would you be comfortable advertising homes on Craigslist where one click away are things for sale you probably didn’t know existed!?!?”
>This is FAR different from a broker opening up a community posting section of their own site and allowing this type of personals content.
I would argue that it’s not. If Prudential.com or JoeSellsYourHouse.com opens up a clone, the real estate affiliation alone holds them responsible. Our culture is litigious and ready to pounce. It would be unfair but likely that a consumer would try to sue Craigslist POSTERS (as you saw in the link in the above article) for posting issues.
>Many newspapers have semi-explicit personals sections. Here in NYC that applies to everyone other than the NY Times and WSJ I think. Yet the Real Estate classifieds sections continue to be used there.
Well, NYC is surely a different animal regarding publications AND real estate. That said, removing the personals section doesn’t mean eliminating it completely. CraigslistPersonals.com could be a separate site requiring logins and age verification- treat it as legitimate porn and watch the dollars roll in; this could be a great venture for them!
Kijiji.com also has a personals section but by disabling html and (at least here locally) disallowing pornographic material, cussing or lewd photos, they have promoted a safer environment for shoppers- no one likes the homeless guy fondling himself in the Wal-Mart entrance… the Wal-Mart products remain and the grody lewd guy is removed. We praise Kijiji for not allowing the lewd materials and ask Craigslist to do the same.
Another site is MySpace.com which we regularly see in the news as being a playground for predators of children, a site for pornography, etc. Look, as I said before, I’m a grown woman living in a liberal town- I don’t picket porn, but while Craigslist is still touted as a media darling, websites that are ALSO networking sites (of people instead of commerce) are attacked vehemently by the media, parents, and the like.
At one point here in Austin, I understand that there was a section for “escorts” (the modern term for hookers) which was removed. Pressure from somewhere surely made this move possible; why not separate this questionable material altogether?
A client may be told their Realtor is advertising on Craigslist and think “ooh, I should check it out” and click on to other portions of the site to learn about this “marketing tool” only to find out that there is abundant material offending their personal religious beliefs. They could hold their Realtor responsible.
>Deciding whether or not to post your properties there is of course every agent’s choice. I will say that in this marketplace a great number of people use Craigslist as their primary search grounds for homes. Perhaps not so much at the top end of the market, but not using Craigslist would certainly cut into a properties exposure.
I completely agree with this. In the article, I noted “that [Craigslist] is a popular search tool for many buyers and should be in Realtors’ arsenal of marketing tools.” I still think Craigslist should be used- in some regions (such as here in Austin), it is a major resource for home buyers. I will continue to use Craigslist, but I would appreciate a predatory-free environment to be promoted.
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Look, what makes me successful in what I do is that I am a consumer first, I am a parent first, I am a neighbor first… Realtors are called to act in an ethical, responsible manner in marketing. All I’m really trying to do with this article is ask Craigslist to be equally responsible with my neighbors, consumers, and especially their children as well as bring it to the attention to Realtors that MAY have the assumption that Craigslist IS all about real estate- and as you and I agree, it is not.